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This is a diverging branch of the thread titled Using SD to enhance communication of Vision. We are now getting into the potentially vast subject of comparing, contrasting, and synergizing SD with other “typological” systems, in order to enhance not just communication but just about any purpose in life.
152 members in this Group, hope others will jump in. Are you all on Notifications of posts to this Discussion Group??? Hope so !!!!
The following is my response to Marmalade's post in that thread. Please read that.
Well, orange Marmylade (haha, that's extra funny here !!!!)
You and me is gonna get some action goin' in this joint !!!!!
You said
I've wondered for some time why personality theory doesn't get discussed much amongst integralists.
And I wonder the same thing. “Type” is more than gender !!!! (I forget some of the other types Wilber mentions.) OTOH there are lots of trivial typologies out there, superficial in the sense of not really good categorizing, challenging to use and not profound in implications.
You said
The knowledge is there and plays out mostly in a subconscious way.
That's the way it should be. When I learned NLP they taught us that unless you employ your knowledge automatically from your subconscious, you haven't really “learned” it. That does pose challenges if we are asked to explain why we do something, sometimes, though, I am sure you've noticed !!!
You said
I'm an INFP and INFPs particularly love meta-communication. When I visit an INTP board, its an entirely different world. Before visiting an INTP board, I didn't realize how significant personality could be.
I don't think I am such, but I adore meta-level ANYTHING.
Now, this idea of visiting different Boards to see how the different types sound in cyberspace, in print alone, that opens new vistas for me. Could you offer some links so I can pursue this?
You said
The majority of the arguments on the now closed Lightmind seemed to me to be nothing other than differences in personality styles.
This is a very profound point and highly related to Spiral Dynamics. When people argue and it's really just personality style differences, that is typical First Tier behavior. When people get present to/disidentified with their type, then and only then can they move to 2T. That is why studying these typologies seems SOOOO IMPORTANT, to me. You cannot transcend and include your personality type in any system (and thus build your own weaknesses, use your own strengths, and communicate effectively) unless you KNOW your type in various systems.
Other miscellaneous thoughts on the subject:
The Jungian typology system I know best is the Humphrey-Osgood one in Understanding Understanding, from the '60's. I am a fairly balanced Introvert-Extrovert, Sensation-Thinking type, but with strong Feeling, and nontrivial Intuitive. I never learned how to map that system onto the currently popular further-downstream Jungian-derived Meyers-Briggs, which I think is the system you were typing yourself in.
I regard the Enneagram system as probably one of the top 3 most fundamental, most profound, and thus, most useful, but only if one studies the spiritual bases, not just the personality books. There is only one good BOOK on that, called The Spiritual Dimension of the Ennegram, by Sandra Maitri. (Her second book isn't so great, IMHO.) She has a website, http://www.sandramaitri.com/ I believe, and teaches her stuff in workshops. But even she doesn't go all the way with explicating the spiritual bases of the Enneagram. (That info is directly from Almaas, who does have web presence, and I have not read his stuff. I got it from one of his students.)
Perhaps I will create a new thread here sometime to discuss the Enneagram. Maybe do a site search first to see what else has been said here in the Community.
Other than the SD sytem and the Enneagram, I like one that I learned from some (now unavailable) spiritual teachers long ago, and have further developed myself. It is called Cosmic Essence, and is based on the observation (not idea) that each of us contains all the qualities of consciousness, such as truth, joy, intelligence, wisdom, honor, compassion, etc., but specializes in one or two. (Vaguely like soul archetypes, which is also a useful typology, especially as developed by my friend Michael Lincoln.)
I have written a long paper on Cosmic Essences, as I am currently the only one doing “readings” of this for people, but I want to get it out there and teach more people, as it is profoundly useful and healing. Our Cosmic Essence is our gift to the world, just from who we are, before any effort or action, we just radiate it. And it channels and colors all our actions. I think it's more fundamental than any other type, including soul archetypes. .
Hey, thanks for the great exchange, Marmaladekitty.
Namaste, OM Bastet
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