Jehovah's Witnesses War Mongers......

Jehovah's Witnesses cause Armageddon's Day? How?
Many believe that by threatening the end of the world, this act gives power to that reality, allows it to become a possibility. How? By the fear this creates by the uncertainty of who would survive such a war, who would deserve to survive, who is right and whose wrong, this keeps people arguing and creates religious differences. Thus creating the real problem that we see, many angry people hating each other. The ingredients for a world war!! If we have no hate or fear we are free of the fear of fear.
Until some one stirs up that fear in us again with some threatening words. And threatens us personally with some form of evil. We have a right NOT to hear what we don't want to hear. Or not to see what we don't want to see. Those who force their beliefs on to us, force their will on us. “Be like us or die!” Whose gonna kill us? Not them personally they use god only to carry out their threats. But still they create real anger in the real world and real threats are made. So real action may well be taken against them for real. Indeed their prediction about such acts are the very means that they plan to have used in order to have it work out the way they predict for it. It's the easiest way to tell not just someone, but everyone, what you plan to do, is to predict it to them for years.
They threaten us with gods anger and wrath upon us all. They do so in order to try to have god display this anger and pick off those who make this world an evil place. Leaving only the the good, the ones god accepts. So on that day the truth can be seen clearly by all, so they tell us. Those who are alive are good, while the bad die for their unrepentant ways.
But those who threaten violence against others, or create war games, will be amongst those who are no longer needed in such a world of peace. So no more threats of the end of the world from anyone, as those threatening it will be silenced forever. No more war threats ever from anyone, ever again. Or messages of Doom.
Jehovah's Witnesses must be banned they have to be stopped. They threaten us with war and destruction. It is their own threats of war that will cause their OWN destruction, the war against them. Their message and threats create the possibility and the circumstances needed to make that possible future, which they threaten us with to begin to become as real as their threatening it to be. It's why they must be banned, they are asking for it, quite literally. By predicting it WILL happen. They are like an invading army with no defenses. But threatening a very real attack. Nothing except their lawyers and money to fight back with. Oh yes REAL POWER, lawyers and money.
Eventually they will have to realize god will not kill everyone but god will teach everyone. “Every pupil perfectly instructed WILL be like his master” Jehovah's Witnesses MUST change their ways. “The 11 hour workers will be happy to see they did get paid the same as all the other workers.” These “quotes” are from some of Jehovah's Witnesses literature. How annoyed the Witnesses will be to learn the death toll is not so high as they expected?
And Jehovah's Witnesses must stand down as a religious organization. Give up their preaching of doom and preach only a message of peace to the world. And maybe eventually even one of security. But their message MUST change to Armageddon's day as being past tense. IF NO ONE DIES after that, after that date, except for those who do die. People die every day. From then Jehovah's Witnesses are no longer a threat, and from their own mouth we shall have gods blessing on us all, for not having died at his hand. And no armies at all. Only a world police Force.
Threats from one religion to another is no game, it's like creating a powerful war cry. Maybe the Muslims are the ones who use suicide bombers, but against the “infidel” the false believer and against the other religions! The REAL problem is not the terrorists, but the fact that ALL religion is what feed this drive for terror. Their way being better. While the returned threats from their enemies, the other religions are feeding that warring spirit ever onward. RELIGION causes the problem!! Remove religion, and we can purify our understanding of gods will for us, by taking away all REAL threats of all REAL wars. Any threat of war cannot come from a true religious believer to another human, in such a peaceful future, war doesn't exist. Now perhaps it can happen but not then,not in a world of peace. But then with 1 world government. With only 1 army who are we fighting against? Every conquering army knows to win any war ALL your enemies must die. So death to all who don't believe in the idea of peace, in the idea of 1 new world order, with NO army just a police force to keep the law. All soldiers will die or retire. He who takes a weapon will truly die by that weapon. All soldiers are suicide cases. People willing to die to protect against, against what? ….against people who are willing to die for their country or beliefs,in battle against “us.” So who are we this “us” A united world? Or seperate nations and religions?
Without peace we are all criminals, in this our prison, planet earth. In our hellish prison we are all held captives here. Yet we would be released instantly if we lived in a world of peace, one where we had just 1 world government, where the very word “war” was one that you needed to look up, just in order to understand even what it means at all. But here we are, we do understand that word. So we need to remove the need for us to understand such a word. Or we are stuck here.
In order to prevent this cold war from becoming a very real hot war. Jehovah's Witnesses by the year 2012 will stand down as a religious organization and stop preaching all messages of doom on planet earth. There after, they will have to teach that world peace has begun on earth. Doing so for 1000 years, also they must teach that the rule of Christ has started on that date, when his rule will be operating through his representative on earth, as the world president or leader, the one who will be in true power over all the earth. Gods spokes person or representative on this earth. And all future dates that Jehovah's Witnesses will count, start from this new age, from 0000 NWO (The New World Order) instead of 2013AD. Then 2014AD will be the new year 0001 N.W.O. for them.
The real people who are really annoyed by Jehovah's Witness's preaching, really do want them banned. So they really will try to get rid of them. And it really will happen. So really be prepared. while Jehovah's Witnesses try to take over the world in 2012, what will you be doing? So see you on the flip side. If your there be fair in order to stay there. And may the force be with you. If nothing happens we are still where we are now, under threat of war from someone sometime. If it creates peace for all the world, how can it be bad?

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World peace HOW!?

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Let us turn to the greatest of all books, the Bible. In it we are told that at the end of the world there would be a great war whose final battle is called “Armageddon”. You may have been taught that this battle will take place on the outside, as races battle races, and nations battle nations. It doesn't mean communism against democracy or socialism against capitalism. There will always be wars and conflicts; but the battle of Armageddon is the battle of ideology. This battle does not take place on the outside, but within each and every individual.

If you really understood what was taking place and knew your scripture, you would rejoice at the unrest on the outside. “Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth. I have come not to bring peace but a sword; to set a man against his father; a daughter against her mother and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, for a man's foes are those of his own household.” This certainly does not mean our children will be pitted against us, but that the true understanding of the Word of God is pitted against the traditions of men. Living by structures built by tradition, we have believed that by them we could earn the kingdom of heaven and acquire merit. But when one who has experienced the story of God tells you that the life of Jesus Christ is everyone's spiritual autobiography, this truth causes a conflict within the individual - and that is the battle of Armageddon.

Neutrality is impossible. You cannot attach the new cloth to the old; it is all or nothing. You cannot put the new wine you are receiving into the old bottle, by being willing to go along with this new idea to a certain point, but not being willing to give up your belief in an external God, to whom you bend your knee and cross your body when you stand before what represents him on the wall. So the battle rages until the story of Jesus Christ unfolds within you; and then the war is over, for from that moment on you will have no other god, only he whose name is I AM. I tell you: the story of Jesus Christ is your spiritual autobiography. One day his story will unfold within you and you will know there is no other, only God.

Today when you see the disturbance the young people are causing - not only in our country but all over the world - see it as a symbol of the tremendous eruption of truth taking place in the hearts of men. It is not just confined to this platform, for the picture is worldwide. There is an enormous eruption of truth against the entrenched traditions of men going on right now, even in atheistic China and in lands which are not considered Christian; but truth is not confined to space or time. Truth is only confined to God.

Religion, in the true sense of the word, is devotion, and at times an exalted reality for the one experiencing it. When you have experienced scripture, you will never again return to your little bottle. Our world is filled with men who are supposed to speak the word of God, yet are deeply involved in the shadow world. They are telling our government what to do and how to do it, not telling the individual about God's promise to give himself to the individual in a literal sense. I tell you: God is going to give his son to you; and because he and his son are one, he gives you himself. Believe me and hope for your eruption now, for when it comes, you will realize that everything which appears to be taking place on the outside, is nothing more than a shadow, cast by God. So when you see the young pitted against the old, rejoice, for they are fulfilling scripture. We may resent being taxed to rebuild the buildings the young burn down, but the eruption is taking place in us as the new idea replaces the old.

No more will I be bound to an external God. I no longer believe in an external Jesus Christ, for the Christ in me who is my hope of glory, awoke and unfolded his story - not as another for me to observe, but as myself. He redeemed me by becoming me, to the point where everything said of him I have experienced. That is the new idea which has replaced my old concept that I learned from my mother, Sunday school, and church. I lived by that structure until one day I knew it was not truth. Then the battle between truth and error began. It may seem to be on the outside, but it is all taking place within.

He comes, not to bring peace but a sword, and he is followed by the armies of heaven. From his mouth a sharp sword is issued. It is the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God. He does not bring a sword to chop people's heads off with. The sword is only a symbol. When John the Baptist was beheaded, John - wearing everything that is external to man - died, and the Lord Jesus Christ rose in his place. When your head is symbolically removed, you have received the sign that you no longer give power to external things. Then the inner you will rise and supplant your outer self. The rising of this inner you has a disturbing influence, for everything you believed in and bowed to on the outside must die.

Formerly I worshiped a man because he was known, rich, or intelligent; then I discovered that the one who is the Being of beings, the God of gods, was my very self. Then He began to awaken in me, as I learned to overcome everything external to myself. And as I did, I realized that I was the cause of the phenomena of my life. I accepted this fact one-hundred percent and he fulfilled his promise: “To him who conquers I will give the Morning Star.” Then he identified himself as the morning star, saying: “I am the root and the offspring of David. I am the bright morning star,” the symbol of the new day and immortality. When God reveals himself to you, as you, your world changes; and when your little garment which has housed the old beliefs, is taken off, it will be for the last time. Then you will be clothed in the new man, as the man who rose from within and repeated the entire story of the Lord Jesus Christ, in detail.

Armageddon is not a place in the battlefields of the world. Battles are fought as the new supplants the old. America is a new nation compared to Europe and has now supplanted the old powers. That was one grand eruption. Today, America is the mightiest power in the world of Caesar; but in the midst of it we find the young pitted against the old. In the 10th chapter of the Book of Matthew, he begins with a man against his father, then a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, as the young try to dislodge the old. As this happens in you, the world will reflect your conflict.

Everything must be interpreted as a symbol, in this world as well as in your dream world. A lady shared this dream with me recently. In it she had a twin sister who died. Loving her twin so much, she pretended she was her; thereby receiving her mother's affection; yet she knew the role she had assumed. This is a perfect story of scripture. Jacob supplanted his brother Esau in the affection of his father. Coming second, Jacob thought his father would love the first-born most, not knowing (as the world does not know) that the first-born of every creature is the same first-born, but the firstborn from the dead is seen in the order of events, rather than in time.

Everyone within whom the story of Jesus Christ erupts is the firstborn. No one comes before you, because Christ is first. He is the head, and if Christ unfolds within you, he supplants the body you wear, which came into the world first. The physical is first. The spiritual comes second and supplants Esau - the outer man. Jacob - the inner, smooth-skinned man - is spirit. And the Lord loved Jacob and hated Esau. The outer man must be discarded, because flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom; so the inner man must be born. And when he does, he is the first-born from the dead in the order, rather than in time.

The one who is to be born of the spirit must first be awakened. Coming out, he is the one the lord loves, because he is one with him and is given the bright morning star. God, himself, is the bright morning star who gives it - so God gives himself! And there is no one but God from then on, as you control all; and when you take off this garment of flesh, you are one with the God who runs the entire show. Seen from above, this conflict is not disturbing; rather it is a time for rejoicing, for the eruption of truth has begun in the hearts of men. But on this level, as a tax payer, you may resent the burning of buildings and the inability of those who desire an education to get it, because of a small group who do not know what they are doing. 

They are only symbols, playing their little games; so Father forgives them; they are only a symbol of the eruption which is taking place in the hearts of men. There is always a remnant erupting, and the symbol of this eruption appears on the outside.

The first creative act was motion: “The Spirit of God moved upon the face of the deep.” As God moved, everything erupted, and the world became visible. You moved into the awareness of your true husband, which is the Lord God Almighty, whose symbol is your earthly husband, who you love and share your world with. You moved within yourself into the real union with God, who is your husband - as told us in the Book of Isaiah: “Your Maker is your husband, the Lord of Host is his name.” You have now moved into a real relationship with the God within you, who left everything to cleave to you. And you have discovered the great secret of moving from state to state. You will find that your love for your earthly husband will grow stronger. When you first met, you were fired by sex, and - if the love has maintained as it was prior to the union - when sex fades, you will find your relationship growing deeper. You will be more concerned for each other, as a deeper love takes over. Now, the motion took place within you, and you have moved from what is a relationship in this world, to a spiritual relationship, as the story of Jesus becomes your spiritual autobiography.

Do not look at the conflict on the outside as terrible; rather see it as a symbol. Rejoice when you see the youth pitted against the old, as it signifies that the Word - which is the sword of the Spirit - has erupted; and the armies of heaven are on the march, as the Living Word which unfolds within man, interprets the external word of the letter. The outer world - like the letters in the Bible - is dead, and remains so until something that is alive gives it life. Only when that which is life itself erupts, does the Bible's dead letter become alive. I have experienced scripture, and when I see the conflict, I know that many have accepted my words and are experiencing them. As long as I wear this mask I do not know where they are, but I do know they are telling the story of salvation from experience. That is the only thing that can inflame the mind.

The traditions of men are only dead letters. Our clergy are not telling the word of God, they are too involved in politics, thinking they can buy off the eruption with money. You can't stop ransom or blackmail, but you can tell the story of Jesus Christ from experience - but the clergy do not know it. If they heard what you have tonight, they would think my words were blasphemy; yet I am telling you what I have experienced, while they speak from theory. That is all right, for they are part of the story. “For the sake of the traditions of your fathers you have made void the word of God.” Religion has created saints out of nothing, for they never existed. Now something is happening to force them to confess to their nonexistence, even though they have made hundreds of millions of dollars in the selling of these little icons. They will still sell them, because there are people who will still want their little so-called protection based upon the outside. But you don't want them; that's why you are here. You are willing to believe the drama is unfolding in you and not on the outside. So when a horrible blow hits your heart, try to see its symbolism, as everything in the outer world is a symbol. Why and how did it happen and what does it mean? What is the significance of the thing that happened? Just like a dream, everything has some significance, for God is speaking; therefore you would listen attentively and try to understand what he is saying in symbolism.

It is still a closed book to those who have not experienced scripture, but it will be understood by those who are drawn by the one who had the experience. I have shared my experiences with you, in the hope that in the not distant future you will individually experience the entire story of Jesus Christ. So when you see the unrest today, rejoice that the young is now pitted against the old. And remember: the conflict is in your imagination. Although I have overcome the world, as the drama has proved, I may find myself listening to the radio or watching television and get involved. I do it by forgetting and coming down into the nonsense in this world. Then I must get back up on the mountain and see it as symbolism, telling me what is happening within.

The eruption will not go on forever. It only lasts for a certain length of time and then the door to heaven is closed once more. The door does not remain open, but only opens at intervals of time. Blake says it is every two hundred years, but how long it remains ajar he does not say. Now you see why the conflict rages - because the door is still ajar.

What I am telling you tonight could not be printed in tomorrow's paper as it doesn't make sense, but it is true. People may doubt my words and say; “Why listen to him, the man is mad and has a devil.” But I say to you: “I am not mad and I do not have a devil, for what I tell you is true. I speak not of my own accord, but as the Father speaks to me.” I have actually experienced the entire drama recorded in scripture, and have shared my experiences with you. With my limited background, you may question how I have such learning; but the words are not mine, they are the words of him who sent me - and he who sent me is God. He is my Father. I know my Father and you know not your God. I may be considered mad by some, because my background can be checked; yet I dare to claim I am the son of God and I and my Father are one. So when you see me you see him who sent me. I was sent by my Father, and - knowing the Old Testament - I have shared with you my spiritual interpretation of its dead letter; for the entire scripture has unfolded in me.

Armageddon is the battle of ideologies, where belief is pitted against belief. I can't tell you how shocked I was to discover that the Christ to whom I prayed was within me. Scripture teaches, “Christ in you is the hope of glory,” but I didn't take that statement literally, for I was taught to look for Christ on the outside. I could find no conflict in that Christ.

I cannot tell you of the shock that comes when all of the beliefs by which you have lived come tumbling down. You will no longer be able to turn to anyone on the outside to praise or blame for what is taking place in your world. If it is unlovely, you are its cause. If it is lovely, you are its cause. Everything unfolds within you, and you are detached from what takes issue; yet you know you are its cause, for as the word of truth erupts within you, it sets one against the other. The word is not confined; but when it comes - as it has in me - I bring the new wine which the old bottle cannot contain. The old garment of belief is ripped and you cannot put a new patch on an old garment. As the world erupts around us, we may wonder what is taking place and ask ourselves if we have lost control of our children, as they are so different now. 

We can say all kinds of things, justify our actions and beliefs - that is our right. On occasion I find myself sucked into the same stream and pass an opinion not based upon the truth that has erupted within me; so I can't judge another. I can only say; when you see these things, rejoice, for He has come. His coming brings a new idea, which will disturb the traditions of men; and - living by man's traditions - you will see the disturbance on the outside, but it is in you.

The world reflects this disturbance, and those in the world are being led like sheep to the slaughter. Yet in the hearts of those who observe it from above, it is cause for rejoicing, as they wait only for the eruption of God's immortal plan. Jesus Christ is this immortal pattern of salvation. Its eruption in man causes an eruption in the outer world, as the young is set against the old, and the new conflicts with the traditions of men.

In the meanwhile, take what you know of this law, and use it towards your own personal good fortune in the world of Caesar. It's simple. Go to the end and assume the feeling of the wish fulfilled. Don't ask anyone to help you. Ask no one if it is right. If you like it, assume you have it. Remain faithful to your assumption, and that Being who is going to erupt in you will take you to that end. If you find yourself moving from your fulfilled desire, go back to it, and once more assume the feeling of the wish fulfilled. Do this and your assumption will harden into fact.

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Interesting response! Did you copy this information from somewhere? Or did you write this some time ago? How much of it is a response to the actual post?

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See original Blog

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses War Mongers Darens response

Hope you come back and keep up to date Darren because with you leaving no way of contacting you, Here is the only place we can chat. I do hope to find out if you are responding  directly or just ramdomly posting long posts?

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“Randomly posting”  may be a bit skewed of an assumption, since there is some connection between your link to the blog and to his response.

As far as a closed profile - that's his choice, and so be it.

In his time, DPI, in his time.  Patience in awaiting a response, if any.  If none comes, then again, so be it.

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“Randomly posting”  may be a bit skewed of an assumption, since there is some connection between your link to the blog and to his response.”

Perhaps there is but it is certainly not made clear, so the question still stands. Perhaps he doesn't read these bloggs at all?

“As far as a closed profile - that's his choice, and so be it.”

Yes indeed, he can do as he chooses or what would be the point of my blog in the first place?

“In his time, DPI, in his time.  Patience in awaiting a response, if any.  If none comes, then again, so be it.”

OK Yoda, thanks for thinking I needed to know that.      :D

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OK Yoda, thanks for thinking I needed to know that. 

No, not Yoda.  Just a minor prophet suggesting that your approach to a fellow member of this pod may be a bit aggressive in view of the spirit and purpose of this pod.

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I think this said member would agree with me….. in that …..if we choose to see conflict or agresion in others it is because such exists in us and is not outside ourselves but within.

“No, not Yoda.  Just a minor prophet suggesting that your approach to a fellow member of this pod may be a bit aggressive in view of the spirit and purpose of this pod.”

And WHY a minor prophet? Did you want to impose your will, or to teach about Christ? Which is the way of a “minor prophet?”

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Dear Jeep Dog,

Please know I appreciate your words and comments. I greatly enjoy that you comment on words and then speak the truth of being a prophet.

Yes, I would share that Mr or Ms Daily Planet seems overly enthused with making others believe within what he believes. For myself, I only wanted to suggest that Armageddon is a personal experience and not one of wars externally.

Perhaps it would be more embraced if we spoke of the Power of Now, the moment, Buddha conciousness etc. In any belief you will battle your own issues of faith, just as some believe in the Mayan calendar or this that and the other.

Therefore may I take a qoute from my reply which did not attack the Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons or anyone else, I simply tried to explain Armageddon from another view point:

“If you really understood what was taking place and knew your scripture, you would rejoice at the unrest on the outside. “Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth. I have come not to bring peace but a sword; to set a man against his father; a daughter against her mother and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, for a man's foes are those of his own household.” This certainly does not mean our children will be pitted against us, but that the true understanding of the Word of God is pitted against the traditions of men. Living by structures built by tradition, we have believed that by them we could earn the kingdom of heaven and acquire merit. But when one who has experienced the story of God tells you that the life of Jesus Christ is everyone's spiritual autobiography, this truth causes a conflict within the individual - and that is the battle of Armageddon.”

Therefore what war-mongerers on the external or internal?

Love & Gratitude,
Darren Meade

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“a conflict within the individual - and that is the battle of Armageddon.”

Truly Armageddon is a symbolic battle of a decisive winer and looser. And each person has their own Armageddon, yes. But many real world wars and battles HAVE been fought World war 1 and 2 for example.
The JWs belief that WW III is A day, doesn't mean it is every-bodies Armageddon, but it will be for them. And for them IT WILL HAPPEN. “What son asks his father for a loaf of bread and his father hands him a stone? Or what son asks his father for a fish and he hands him a scorpion?” They are asking for it. They want it.
God is very obliging

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So, a case of be careful what you ask for? :)

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Hello DPI,

I don't have any grand opinions about Jehovah's Witnesses.  I mostly try to avoid such people and have been pretty successful at it.  However, I'm not blind to the world that many religious fundamentalists are trying to create. 

There is a significant number of people who want to ensure that the end of the world will actually occur as their holy texts have predicted (or, to be more precise, as they've interpreted them).  I have very little doubt that a WWIII will happen, and if it does I'm sure the religious folks will be partly at fault.  I think we should send all the apocalyptic fundies to another planet where they can fight with eachother until they've fulfilled their own prophecies through mutual annihalation.  :)

There was something that I believe Karen Armstrong wrote, and I found it an intriguing perspective.  She noted how the 9/11 terrorists claimed to have an Islamic motivation, but at the same time transgressed Islamic laws.  While in the US, they went to bars and gambled.  She interpreted this as inentional.  She was saying how fundamentalism is a response to modernism and so is a modern phenomena.  These fundamentalists feel dissatisfied that the materialistic West has become so dominant, and they can't understand why God doesn't intervene on the behalf of the righteous.  Their transgressing Islamic law is an attempt to force God's hand, to get God's attention.

Its an old technique of invoking the divine.  Shaman's would intentionally transgress cultural norms and divine decrees in order to dissolve the boundary between the two realms.  This is something that has been practiced by mystics in all traditions and has been made famous by occult practitioners. 

However, transgression seems an odd action for a righteous fundie to take.  It is extreme, and basically its their last resort because they feel they are otherwise powerless.  The 9/11 attack wasn't meant as an invocation of war but an invocation of God.  It was a symbolic attack.

Such an extreme tactic seems strange to us contented Westerners.  Even our fundies are mostly contented with the status quo.  But if our economy ever took a long enough downturn, our fundies would be no different than these Islamic terrorists.

Blessings,
Marmalade

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I would like to know the significance of 2012. 

To dissassociate the belief of Witnessesses from Armaggedon (with their roots particularly planted in Seventh Day Adventist beliefs) would be to remove their doctrinal foundation.  So, this blog confused me as to purpose.

From the History of the Jehovah's Witnesses, some background -

“Witnesses believe that Adam was created in 4026 B.C. and that human beings have been allotted 6000 years of existence until Armageddon and the beginning of the millennium. This figure is based on a “creative week” in which each of six days is equal to 1,000 years, with the Sabbath or seventh day being the beginning of the millennium. Simple arithmetic gives 1975 as the year Armageddon would arrive. Franz explained that Armageddon would actually come 6000 years after Eve's creation. But when 1975 came and went, the Witnesses had to “adjust” their chronology to cover up a failed prediction. They accomplished this by maintaining that no one knew exactly how long after Adam's creation Eve came on the scene. Franz said that it was months-even years. Hence he was able to “stretch” the 1975 date to some indeterminate time in the future. In any case, Franz said that Witnesses would just have to wait, knowing the end is right around the corner.

When the final battle does occur-remember, it will be during the lifetime of “millions” of people alive in 1914, which means it can't be too far off-Jehovah will defeat Satan and the elect will go to heaven to rule with Christ. But, following a literal interpretation of the number mentioned in Revelation, chapters 7 and 14, only 144,000 are among the elect. They will go to heaven as spirit persons (without resurrected bodies). The remaining faithful (Jehovah's Witnesses), who are known as Jonadabs, will live forever on a renewed, paradise Earth in resurrected bodies. The unsaved will cease to exist at all, having been annihilated by Jehovah. ”

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2012


What exactly was confusing?

“To dissassociate the belief of Witnessesses from Armaggedon (with their roots particularly planted in Seventh Day Adventist beliefs) would be to remove their doctrinal foundation.  So, this blog confused me as to purpose.”

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First, why 2012? 

Alright, I got it - the end of the Mayan Calendar.  Is this blog proposing the next Armaggeddon as proposed by the Witnesses is in 2012 to align with the Mayan calendar running out? 

I would doubt it, since their newly revised doctrine, when the world did not end in 1975 (and as the 1914 generation dies off, and since the world did not end on previously predicted dates of 1914, 1844, 1843) merely states that Armaggeddon “will occur soon,” and is not linked to a year or generation of people.

If the world doesn not end (again) in 2012, why would they possibly change their premise and doctrine that they have not changed due to repeated “misfires” of prophecy dating back to 1843 (oh, for those keeping track, another interesting prophecy that did not come to pass was the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and a slew of other prophets in 1925, where the Watchtower leader built a mansion in San Diego to house these fine figures of Biblical History - oh, and bought an automobile with which to drive them around, as well - I suppose down to the nice shores of Coronado, perhaps) ?

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Star Wars

“First, why 2012? 
Alright, I got it - the end of the Mayan Calendar.  Is this blog proposing the next Armageddon as proposed by the Witnesses is in 2012 to align with the Mayan calendar running out?”

The Witnesses have no dates as you correctly point out. 2012 is when “everyone else” says the end is coming. Or at least the most popular prediction to date.

“I would doubt it, since their newly revised doctrine, when the world did not end in 1975 (and as the 1914 generation dies off, and since the world did not end on previously predicted dates of 1914, 1844, 1843) merely states that Armageddon “will occur soon,” and is not linked to a year or generation of people.”

In the post previously posted by you I think you already answered your own question.

“Witnesses believe that Adam was created in 4026 B.C.”

4026 + 6000 years = 1975 remembering to ad 1 year for the fact that no year zero exists as it does in maths.

“and that human beings have been allotted 6000 years of existence until Armageddon and the beginning of the millennium. This figure is based on a “creative week” in which each of six days is equal to 1,000 years, with the Sabbath or seventh day being the beginning of the millennium. Simple arithmetic gives 1975 as the year Armageddon would arrive.”

Or the end of the 6000 years and start of the 7th 1000 year period of the rule of Christ thats the idea, yes.

Franz explained that Armageddon would actually come 6000 years after Eve's creation.

And 1975 was 6000 years after Adams creation not after Eves.

 “But when 1975 came and went, the Witnesses had to “adjust” their chronology to cover up a failed prediction. They accomplished this by maintaining that no one knew exactly how long after Adam's creation Eve came on the scene.”

Because this detail was not recorded anywhere

“Franz said that it was months-even years. Hence he was able to “stretch” the 1975 date to some indeterminate time in the future. In any case, Franz said that Witnesses would just have to wait, knowing the end is right around the corner.”
When the final battle does occur-remember, it will be during the lifetime of “millions” of people alive in 1914,

Back to the 2012 idea 98 years later in 2012 millions of babies who are now 98 years older are close to death.

which means it can't be too far off-Jehovah will defeat Satan and the elect will go to heaven to rule with Christ. But, following a literal interpretation of the number mentioned in Revelation, chapters 7 and 14, only 144,000 are among the elect. They will go to heaven as spirit persons (without resurrected bodies). The remaining faithful (Jehovah's Witnesses), who are known as Jonadabs, will live forever on a renewed, paradise Earth in resurrected bodies. The unsaved will cease to exist at all, having been annihilated by Jehovah. ”

The destruction of personality the ceasing to exist. The eternal sleep, a scary concept. Fit only for one who commits an “unforgivable sin.” If such exists?

If the world does not end (again) in 2012, why would they possibly change their premise and doctrine that they have not changed due to repeated “misfires” of prophecy dating back to 1843 (oh, for those keeping track, another interesting prophecy that did not come to pass was the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,

Well first the assumption that the Witnesses say 2012, is wrong, so question is irrelevant.
But if you carefully read the original article in this post you'll see they are deliberately provoking the nations to attack them. They want this they predict this. They will bring this about upon themselves, and cause it,  in order to bring the end they have so long predicted. The end of religion! The end of conflict! The end of wars! If that is so bad then stop them now. If not then do as they ask and stop them ALL now! All religions. Only god can create TRUE religion or allow it to be destroyed. So where is the truth where is the love?      Hear song in this link

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Jehovah's Witnesses... if so great a wave shall fall

if so great a wave shall fall
It will fall upon us ALL

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     There have been many who have predicted the end of the world. There have been many who have used historic events to confirm the accuracy of their predictions only to be dispelled becuase the end didn't happen. The Mayan calendar is the popular one now, because we are close to 2012.

     Mankind will exist for many thousands of years more. The end is not near. We are closer to the beginning of mankind's tenure on this planet than we are to the end. anyone can, of course, spend their time discussing and worrying about the end of the world but they simply fall into the same category as all of the people who have worried about other world endings that didn't come to pass.

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“There have been many who have predicted the end of the world. There have been many who have used historic events to confirm the accuracy of their predictions only to be dispelled becuase the end didn't happen. The Mayan calendar is the popular one now, because we are close to 2012. ”

There can be NO end because of the RAINBOW
(the holographic projection from the sun during a rain storm
 It is said to be gods promise never to destroy the earth again. There can be no END!!!
But many endings HAVE taken place.  Many lives DO end. The world goes on, but will WE GO on? Will WE end?

Titanic Jack”Never let go!”

     “Mankind will exist for many thousands of years more. The end is not near. We are closer to the beginning of mankind's tenure on this planet than we are to the end. anyone can, of course, spend their time discussing and worrying about the end of the world but they simply fall into the same category as all of the people who have worried about other world endings that didn't come to pass.”

Unfortuneately this only AGREES with what the Wittnesses have predict that “the end” is truly “the begining” of peace and of Jesus 1000 yea rule over a united peaceful earth.  Is that what you intended on doing?

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Titanic Jack”Never let go!”

Doesn't Kate know the meaning of TAKE an anagram of her OWN name “NEVER let GO!!!”

NEVER LET GO HE SAID.

To take something you CAN'T let go of it.

Well even Superman lets go sometimes……….

But sometimes JUST sometimes EVERYBODY LIVES

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But sometimes JUST sometimes EVERYBODY LIVES

The lonely god The (only) One with any with real cure for what sickens the world

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No one wants to see god speak. No one wants to hear his voice.

“Gods voice is always thunder, and his WORD destruction. His all seeing eye always sees the end of all things. As long as god remains silent we remain alive. Lets NOT make god speak LEST we all die.!”

“Everything that has a beginning, has an end” - The Oracle The Matrix

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The times in which we currently live are not the end. They are not even the beginning of the end. They are, however, the end of the beginning. In our lifetimes, humanity will begin a shift in thinking, especially in their perception of The Lord. This will begin as a small, possibly insignificant trickle, but over time shall build into a wave on consciousness that sweeps over all of humanity.

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“This will begin as a small, possibly insignificant trickle, but over time shall build into a wave on consciousness that sweeps over all of humanity.”
Posted about 2 hours ago
by Mr.


As I said in the previous post Mr.

If so great a wave shall fall

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Silence religion once and for ALL

We must stop god from speaking

He spoke once from mount “Zion eye” as he saw our future and the people begged
“Moses you speak with us let not god speak to lest we should die”

Ban ALL religion and unite the world with peace, not leave it divided by wars, arguments and disputes about words.

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Jehovah's Witnesses wish for world destruction ..love to be hated

Jehovah's Witnesses love the fact that they are hated.
They are glad when people get annoyed at them. WHY?
These very people in the real world who REALLY do hate Jehovah's Witnesses. They really do dislike them and really do want to have them banned. WHY because Jehovah's Witnesses will continue to expose the hate and lies and their errors, and these ones just hate that. Until these ones finally snap and take action against the Witnesses.
SO Jehovah's Witnesses are A REAL threat to the REAL world. They are planning on bringing THE END OF THE WORLD…… AND SHOULD BE stopped.

BUT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT!!!!!!

To be attacked so that God can show his power and protect them. WILL HE?

CRAZY? Perhaps! Suicidal? Possibly.

They love god more than life.  “He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.” Jesus said hate your LIFE? Be prepared to die?
Jesus also said “if the have hated me they will hate you.” And the Witnesses just love to quote this, believing it proof of them being like Jesus.
But mostly everyone actually LOVED Jesus… It was the greedy power hungry leaders who saw him as a threat to their power. The people in general didn't hate him but loved him for his miracles his feeding program.

SO JW's!!! CAN WE HAVE A FEEDING AND CURING PROGRAM PLEASE!!!?

Then the government WILL really hate you. For the same reasons they hated Jesus.

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I don't really think there is such a conceptualization as “hate.” Merely fear in the service of self-protection. Self-absorbed egoic mind fears that which might end it and in that fear looks for threat everywhere and in everyone…and, of course, what you look for because you expect to find it, will obviously be found.

“He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.”

I interpret that to mean that in loving the world and all associated with it,  you gain the “life eternal.” However, as long as you judge any part as worthy of hate (fear) you are destined to remain chained to a world of hate and fear.

But then, I'm just saying…

Peace Angels,
mike S

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Jehovah's Witnesses do they HATE you?

I don't really think there is such a conceptualization as “hate.” Merely fear in the service of self-protection. …….. will obviously be found.

It IS called HATE..

I'm just saying… that IS the word we have used for such actions now for years..

YOU ALSO SAID….

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Jehovah's Witnesses love the fact that they are hated.
They are glad when people get annoyed at them.

How many of them do you know?

How many of them with which you have an intimate friendship to have this related to you?

Or, perhaps, are you making generalizations on a group of people, on the outside looking in?

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“How many of them do you know?”

Enough of them to know that my generalization that …..
”Jehovah's Witnesses love the fact that they are hated. They are glad when people get annoyed at them.”
Is in fact a simple generalization, …no loves to be hated…!!! But they do get all happy and glowy when they are persecuted for the sake of Jesus name. They are martyr material. The problem with all martyrs IS… they are all dead….

“How many of them with which you have an intimate friendship to have this related to you?”

Do we know each other well enough to talk of intimate things?

Or, perhaps, are you making generalizations on a group of people, on the outside looking in?

From your own knowledge does IT SEEM like this is what I am doing? They do make their beliefs a matter of public record… and they preach them “house to house” to everyone. Who listens.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_denomination

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also, people like hal lindsay and grant jefferies have made a fortune peddling the apocalypse. how are they any different than the jw's?

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The only specific difference I see >>>

………………. THEY are ALL the same in many ways. But this sameness only re-enforces the fact that Armageddon is expected and it IS in peoples minds. KEEPS people terrefied of it. The terror being the source of all wars……………

<<<IS

The JWs prophecy/warning…. of their plan…… To have ALL religion banned “destroyed!” as they put it. But they describe this as coming as a ban on religion. Everything in the world is leading to this ban. The belief that terror causes suicide bombers. That terror comes from divided and fighting religious groups.

Who          are above these causes of religious fighting and arguing? ALL religion argues it is the true source, if it said it were false, it would be ignored.

The war on terror is the world's excuse to rid itself of false gods. False ideas. And become One united planet with no armies no soul-diers

The UN has a charter that allows it to do this if ever religion were to get in the way of world peace.

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Thanks andrew my mum used to always say (in true Forest Gump style) brainwashed is if brainwashed does, “who needs a dirty brain?”

“but yes, cheerleading for the apocalypse should be a big religious no no , in my opinion”

This is no cheary thing they areNOT just singing and dancing about the end, they are creating the end, making it possible, putting “the hooks in the jaws” of the machine and pulling