What role Jesus? (Or help me in my meditation)

I've realized that I need to do some personal reflection about what role Jesus has to play in my life now that I no longer attend a Christian church, have expanded my study beyond Christian texts, but still feel great kinship to my roots.

I clearly don't have an answer but thought this would be an interesting discussion where others might share their feelings. I realise it may overlap previous discussions, but I think that's ok.

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ah, intriguing…

there are so many ways Jesus can have a role in your life outside of church…

books to read that are about Jesus or influenced by Christian thought, fiction and non
the way you think about life, understand it through that lens
Christian meditation (like the Jesus prayer)
music - by Christian artists, classical or contemporary
prayer - whatever form that takes, there are many ways to pray
discussion groups - like this one, or others, online or in person

probably scads of others, these are just the ones that occur to me offhand

peace

nicole

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My experience may be different than yours.  When you speak of having had attended a Christian Church, I assume you mean a mainstream church.  I was raised in LIberal New Thought Christianity(Unity) and so I was raised with it being fine to have differing views of Jesus within the same church.

There are many versions of 'Jesus' and 'Christ'.  Jesus can almost be anything you want him to be: Godman Savior, Gnostic Wayshower, Cosmic Consciousness, representative of inherent Goodness, Jungian symbol of the 'Self', archetypal hero whose expression evolves with human understanding, spiritual Power beyond all symbols and idols, wise teacher, political adversary of corrupt authority, a deified cultural hero, Prophet of Doom and Redemption, failed prophet, devotee's Beloved, Friend who listens to your prayers, simple good man who left his mark on the world, conglomeration of various historical figures and pagan gods, invented fictional character of inspirational tales… on and on… 

Take your pick and feel free to combine them to fit your personal preferences.  Personally, I go more with the Christos as archetype idea, a spiritual principle of love, and I personalize it with the Gnositc Wayshower angle.  But I appreciate the ideas of Godman Savior and the pagan influences.  The various historical views aren't overly significant to me and never have been.

Blessings,
Marmalade

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i think the buddhist texts are much more useful when it comes to meditation; although you can visualize jesus in your minds eye while in meditation……i personally don't do this, i just like to watch, and sometimes everything becomes empty………………

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and treat people how you like to be treated, which is hopefully good…….

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Perhaps I should have said (Help me in my reflection) but this is good too.

I am trying to keep in touch with myself and my roots while still reaching outward.

I guess I see Jesus as a Son of God, but not unique. I think we are all Sons of God, though I do not pretend to have fully realize this to 1% the degree that Jesus did. I think Buddha, Rumi, Ghandi, MLK, and so many others have come so much further. Perhaps this is what a bodhisattva (sp?) is. I think this is something we can all aspire to.

Jesus as ta'veren (crux point in the web of causation) is also undeniable, he is perhaps still the single most important human crux point even today 2000 years later. This is something I think we should NOT aspire to, as great evil can come of it. The greatest ta'veren of the 20th century was almost certainly Hitler. 

Jesus as great teacher, I think is undeniable. Perhaps that should be enough, though folks who think too much like me never leave it at that.

Jesus as prophet, miracle worker. I have no need to prove or disprove these “supernatural” aspects of this man. I tend to believe them, though at what level they point to the truth varies with time and listener. 

Just some preliminary thoughts. 

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Lately, I too have been reflecting on what Jesus means to me and Christianity in general.  I don't attend a church and haven't in years.  Also, even though my background isn't traditional Christianity, my roots are still in the tradition of Christianity.

I really don't know what I think of Jesus as an anthropomorphic deity.  I have no issues with the idea of anthropomorphizing the divine.  But I've never had much of a personal relationship with Jesus… which is a bit odd as the church I grew up in emphasized the personal relationship angle.

I actually have more of a personal relationship with the Hindu deity Saraswati.  I don't know why but I feel a connection to her.  In my theological perspective, I partially identify her with Sophia in the Gnostic tradition.  So, I don't really have much of a personal connection with any of the Gospel characters traditionally worshipped.

The only characterization of Jesus as a real person that I have connected with comes from Kazantzakis.  I've read the book The Last Temptation of Christ and have seen the movie.  That Jesus touches a deep chord in me.  A tormented Jesus.  That story portrays how I think of man's relationship to God.  He points his finger at you and there is no escape.  :)  “The Fates guide those who will, and drag those who won't.”

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This is a wonderful thread, thanks Negoba for starting and Marmalade for your insightful comments. I hope to have time tomorrow to come back here and share further - lots of good stuff here.

Peace,

Nicole

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ah! all very interesting!

To me Jesus is Buddha and Buddha is Gandhi, etc. etc.  They are all great teachers.  They were all contemplative and meditative and they radiated the sacred.  Any form of meditation will do.  I have heard that Jesus would meditate the same way that the Buddha would meditate.  There is no difference in my mind between the two beings actually.  They would meditate, teach love and Oneness, and BE truly from their centers.  So Jesus could mean everything to you if you see Jesus as the representation of how all beings aspire to BE.  Knowing that Jesus taught love and Oneness and led a meditative and contemplative life are the most important aspects of Jesus to me.  This view of Jesus is not confining at all and that is why I love it haha.

As far as meditation goes I would say just do it haha.  Just sit down and breathe deep.  Let the thoughts slide out of your mind and just do it hehehe.

Namaste,


Love Kevin

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That's a lot of hehehe's there. It is so easy and so difficult, no?

Part of me thinks as you do, and part of me needs to reconcile my own Catholic past in such away to stay true to my roots as well as my branches, leaves, and seeds.

Perhaps I need to just be, and speak what I am at this moment.

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Thank you Negoba for starting this thread.  I too am needing to redefine my conceptual understanding of Jesus so I can communicate about him from a place of authenticity and simplicity.   I am torn between wanting the old security of accepting the teaching of the Church as truth, being comfortable in the ritual of the Mass and the promises of the Church on the one hand and struggling to keep it real and in line with my lived experience, which is something else entirely. 

I guess for me the main thing I wish I could say to people is, please don't judge Jesus by the actions of his followers!  It is possible, even desirable, to have an entirely transcendant relationship with him outside of the institutional Church. 

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Dear Julie, you are most welcome here! I resonate so with your words. I grieve when I see people turn away from the light of Jesus and his teachings because of the errors of those who are called Christians. I grieve to think of the unlove I have given out in the name of Jesus in the past.

There is much beauty and wisdom and truth in each great religious tradition. Let us indeed let our roots go deeper and deeper into the one that resonates best for us, not being shy to draw from the wells of other traditions when they can help us flourish and grow.

Love, light and joy,

Nicole

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Thank you Nicole.  I truly appreciate the open and supportive atmostphere on this pod!

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Dear Julie, I'm so glad!

Love,

Nicole

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As I think back on my Catholic days, I realize that I never prayed directly to Jesus. I always prayed to God as a personal, but unknown entity that I felt could help me grow and become a better person.

Instead, I held him as an example of the best that I could hope to be in moral standard, strength in the face of doubt, in faith.


While my views have deepened, I don't think either of these are wrong, or need to be abandoned. Instead, perhaps, I just need to reconnect to those aspects when the time is right, to occasionally reflect on them as part of who I was and am.

Hopefully that is enough.

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“Hopefully that is enough”

it is! =)



lovelovelove

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“As I think back on my Catholic days, I realize that I never prayed directly to Jesus.”

Most Catholics I know from pre-Vatican II days tell me the same thing.  They were taught it was wrong to pray directly to Jesus because somehow they weren't worthy.  That they were supposed to go through Mary and the saints who would intercede for them with God. 

I escaped that mentality, being raised in a non-practicing Protestant home, so I had the opportunity to develop that “personal relationship” with Jesus one hears so much about, without the dogma and doctrine getting in the way. 

The down side of that was, since my family never went to Church, I felt no community connections and I found myself craving the ritual and traditions that the Catholic Church is so rich in. 

Becoming Catholic fulfilled that need in my life, but now that I have grown beyond it, the personal relationship I cultivated early on is still there, and I am so grateful.  He is for me both a perfect manifestation of God and fully human as well. 

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Perhaps you might consider meditating on the struggles jesus faced as a man. He worked to earn his daily bread, he faced mundane struggles of existence as well as carrying the weight of the knowiedge and insights that he had. He also faced many of the struggles that others do and yet chose to take the very dangerous step of revealing his propehcy knowing that it his revelations would bring increase exponentially, the difficulties in his life. Perhaps if you look at your own life with that stream of consciousness regarding Jesus, you may  see how you can face the things that you must struggle with and meditate for guidance. Let me know if this works for you.
                                                                                  Mr. Prophet 

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You must wonder how someone with the greatest knowledge and insight into infinite and divine truth could ever struggle or face difficulties? And seeming that this knowledge was probably the most wondeful information any mortal could ever know, how could he have struggled?

No, I tend to believe that we are the ones that struggle with the truth. I imagine this man was way beyond that, probably more than we could ever comprehend.

I sense we tend to project our struggles with truth onto the only one who knew the truth and probably never struggled from that “knowing” whatsoever.

Of course, the biblical interpretation differs from mine.

But then, what do I know…

Peace Angels,
mike S

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Dear Negoba and Kevin, yes yes yes! wonderful.
Dear Mike,

you touch on an issue that is central to Christology, that is the “kenosis” or the emptying of Godhead Jesus went through in order to become human. So because he was empty in that way, wholly human, i believe Jesus did genuinely struggle with many things, because to be human is to struggle. i believe he attained enlightenment and love to an amazing level, yes, but along the way, he hungered and thirsted, physically and probably emotionally and spiritually…

i think this one would need its own thread were we to properly explore it.

love and light,

nicole

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Ok,

“I'll start a new thread to explore it, but I doubt it will be proper.

Thanks,
mike S

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Ok, Mike, thanks! :) Love you,

Nicole

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I've just joined this pod and really love it. I was moved by your quest…and thought I would share some of my own, in hopes of being useful…

I am one who grew up in no church. I always say that my mother loved the theatre but wasn't a fan of the church…so my entire religious upbringing centered around Jesus Christ Superstar and Godspell. Which, honestly, wasn't so bad. I thought Jesus to be kind and cool - and cute.

My own path, as I grew, never led me to the church, but for whatever reasons, to a deep search of my own. But always, in the midst of whatever I studied, there remained a deep resonance and thirst for Jesus - the man, most of all. It felt a little strange really, because nothing else along my path felt “Christian.” But I tried studying other religions and ways, but always found myself back to the study of Jesus and Christ. There were so many books that led me into a mystical or historical study that enriched my understanding of and relationship with Jesus. I even joined a study group of the historical Jesus at one point.

Anyway, I thought I'd share with you some books that I have found helpful, beautiful, inspiring and altering…some are mystical, many are theological or historical in nature.

Books by Marcus Borg are all pretty wonderful, in my opinion. I wonder sometimes why he isn't involved with Integral Institute…his approach is so open, spiritual and lovely. Most recently: Jesus, Uncovering the Life, Teachings and Relevance of a Religious Revolutionary. 

Books by Jon Dominic Crossan are interesting for a historical contextual study.

Son of Man by Andrew Harvey - on the mystical path

Godseed: The Journey of Christ by Jean Houston - she's so cool.

Not sure if you were looking for all that, but if it's useful, I'm glad. Oh, thought I'd share a poem I wrote years ago during my search:

The Christ Within

The seed of your being lays in wait within my womb.
Fashioned from the hand of God
Buried gently within the dark fertile ground of my soul
where it whispers of a promise made long ago.

Made when you came,
sent from the heart of life to show me all that I am,
to leave footprints for me to follow.
And though the winds of fear have covered your path
your words still echo in the darkness.

Through the veil of conciousness
across the bridges of time,
I hear your voice,
faint and beckoning…
urging me to remember
to reclaim the truth that flowed with your blood
down the wood of the cross to become lost in the earth.

And as I hang from my cross
the thorns of your crown pierce my skin.
My blood flows from your veins and
I die to myself.

But just as your promised,
I rise.
Transformed by the fire.
And now before me I see your footprints
I feel your hand in mine
Guiding me to a place where I meet myself inside you.

And when I greet the Beloved within, the seed begins to grow
Slowly, we merge.
There is nothing more for me to believe.
Only to know,
That we are One.


Blessings…namaste,
Tracy
www.innerpoetry.com

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Hey Tracy!

I love Jesus Christ Superstar.  It strongly affected my sense of Jesus.  I appreciate it because it shows Jesus as very human.  I also like the much darker The Last Temptation of Christ for similar reasons.  Its odd that I'm attracted to a very human Jesus as I don't believe(or disbelieve) in a historical Jesus.  I suppose the reason is because I see Jesus as a symbol of human potential.  Whatever he was or wasn't historically, what matters to me is what he is right now within the human heart, within my heart.

Nice book recommendations.  Borg and Crossan are good authors to turn to.  I've read a book or two by Harvey years ago, and I enjoyed it at the time.  I'm not as familiar with Houston… I've only skimmed through some books by her… and the title you mentioned isn't one I've looked at.

And when I greet the Beloved within, the seed begins to grow
Slowly, we merge.
There is nothing more for me to believe.
Only to know,
That we are One.

Sounds lovely… nothing more to believe… only to know…

Blessings,
Marmalade

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Tracy, your post was delightful and informative. Thanks so much. I admit to mixed feelings about Superstar, though I have always been surrounded by people who love it without reservation, it is alien to my own conception of Jesus and always has been, so I tend to resist it. Likewise with the Last Temptation of Christ, though again I can sympathise with those who enjoy it, especially my dear friend Marmalade, so hard to argue with him! :)

But I can wholly agree with you about Borg and Crossan, they are wonderful writers. Not sure how Borg feels about Integral theory, interesting…

Your poetry is gloriously otherworldly. I look forward to reading more.

Love and joy,

Nicole

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I sometimes wonder if I m gay except for fact that mouse likes minnie mouse types….because I had liked JC Superstar alot when I was 14 years old! That was one year before I realized that Jesus was like SUperman or Mickey Mouse.

For me, Mickey=Jesus. So If I embody Mickey, I embody Jesus.

But ofcourse we cannot limit Mouse to just Mickey. Mouse is All. Mouse is MacDonald's. Mouse is International House Of Pancakes. Mouse is L'oreal Cosmetics.

Mickey as Mouse is the merest of all our pretentions as a human species. All the flickering false flecks of a hope that can never be.

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oh, dearest Mouse, but there is hope! You must try to believe… please try.

Love and peace to you,

Nicole

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I admit to mixed feelings about Superstar, though I have always been surrounded by people who love it without reservation, it is alien to my own conception of Jesus and always has been, so I tend to resist it. Likewise with the Last Temptation of Christ,

Nicole, would you mind sharing why it is alien to your own conception? 
Don't worry… I won't argue with you… just curious.

Blessings,
Marmalade

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no, i would never worry about you arguing with me, hon :) it's a delight to argue, or discuss or whatever it is that we do all the time here and in the blog discussions we've had.

ok, so Jesus Christ a la Superstar is, to me, a self absorbed rock star type, loving the crowds and hangers on, especially the babes, and getting off on his petulant fits of anger. he is totally what American pop culture would imagine Jesus to be, and therefore has almost no connection whatsoever with the historical Jesus or my personal conception of Jesus, which is probably far from the historical Jesus too.

When I think of Jesus, I think of an Aramaic-speaking peasant who grew up in the Jewish culture of the time. Dust-soaked, earthy, entirely real, I think of him as walking around not with a glow above his head but with a genuine and compelling warmth coming from him, because he could look at each person and see who he or she was. To him, inhabiting a body was not a problem, nor did the bodies of those around him distract him from the ground of being that shone from each face.

I think he had an amazing sense of humour. I bet he laughed a lot, and laughed loudly. I bet he loved eating, loved wine and the exhilaration of living as a man on this good earth.

At the same time, he was no “gentle Jesus, meek and mild”. Oh yes, he could get angry. But it was a pure anger, not a self-centred pique of rage. It came from the heart of God, God who looked at the exploitation of others in the name of God and was sickened. So the Pharisees and Sadduccees, who in the modern day would be some theologians and televangelists and other religious leaders, came under special condemnation not because they were idiots but precisely because they knew better and did not use their understanding to heal but to oppress.

The more we know, the greater our responsibilty to use our knowledge for good. I take that very, very seriously, and grieve for the times I neglect to do right out of what I know, or actually do wrong. I am thankful for God's ongoing forgiveness so I can live in the freedom of light and life though I constantly mess up, instead of living under condemnation and judgment.

I believe Jesus had a special love for women, because he saw their vulnerability and beauty and how horribly crushed they were by society, especially the prostitutes. But I don't think he was in love with them. In the same way, he had a profound compassion for those who needed physical or emotional healing and gave it freely and continually.

In the end, when Jesus gave up his life, he poured it out completely. It was not easy. The garden of Gethsemane was real torture, real anguish. But he found peace in the end. He found it in him to forgive, knowing that they had no idea what they were doing. When he could no longer struggle against the suffocating, crushing power of gravity, he  breathed his last breath , surrendering his spirit willingly and openly into the hands of God by whom he felt forsaken.

this is the Jesus I love and follow with all my heart. My Lord and Saviour and mentor.

Peace and joy,

Nicole

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Nicole,

That was a nice detailed answer.  Your description of Jesus Christ a la Superstar made me laugh.  Can't argue with what you said.  I know its not realistic and its a vision right out of Amercan pop culture… and horribly dated… but I still enjoy it.  If I had to meet a Jesus, I'd probably prefer to meet yours instead of one that constantly broke out into song.  Nonetheless, I really do like some of the songs from that musical. 

My favorite songs actually aren't from the Jesus character.  I love this song by Judas, and this song by Mary.  And, oh yeah, King Herod's song is so silly it amuses me.


If you don't mind a bit of blasphemy with your breakfast, here is a lovely video:
Jesus fighting against the Pagan Christ (Apollonius of Tyana)

You'd be surprised(or maybe not) by how many videos are on Youtube where Jesus is pitted against various combatants… Satan of course but also Hitler and the Easter Bunny to just name a few.  In case your wondering, Jesus beats Hitler and yet(contrary to traditional theology) is defeated by Satan… according to Youtube that is.  :)

Blessings,
Marmalade

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What? No Jesus versus Muckey Mouse?!

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How could Jesus be against Mickey Mouse? They are one! :)

Yes, that's one of the best JCSS songs, the one by Judas, he was a good singer and performer. The Mary one is lovely too, and Herod's is hilarious! I grew up with all these songs and they are part of my bloodstream.

I'll check out that other video… ah :) kung fu, eh?

no, not surprised by how much stuff like that there is on youtube lol

Light and peace,

Nicole

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So many here with such a wide variety of perspectives from serious old dour me to Mr. Mouse to artist Tracy to our wise mod.

Jesus as God incarnate, finally I understand John, the word made flesh, Jesus as Logos. I can be so dense.

The Truth reverberates and resonates with itself in harmony. Ah…..

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Negoba, you are not dour…you are wonderful.  And Tracy, that poem was ridiculous(ly good), I love it.

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Love you, Julie, you are so affirming. N/J, i echo Julie, you are a delight!

Light and peace,

Nicole

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Perhaps I'll throw in my two cents even though, since no one has stated anything close, it is probably straying from what you are hoping to find. However, I will push forward and off you my thoughts.

I understand your attempt to keep your tradition. To keep some of your perspectives. My view is this: when one is hoping to expand their thoughts and knowledge on any matter at all then one must give up all preconceived notions. That is, if you already have belief's but are looking outward for new or undiscovered guidance simply for experience then you must give up your previous belief's as to not taint what experiences you may come to have.

This may seem a bit brash but, how can one view things in an objective manner (or as close to one as one possibly can) while still clinging to the belief's one is looking to expand on? I am not saying to abandon it forever. Just for the moment while you explore. Rene Descartes (who happens to be Christian) did something of the sort. He stated in his meditations that when one comes to a mature age one must give up all of what he once thought he knew and opt for learning, creating, and developing ones own theories. Essentially, he opted for stripping himself of any lessons he learned (spiritually, religiously, etc but excluding any educational learning) in order to better understand the world, himself, and others.

I hope this is clear. I'm always thinking that it isn't so let me summarize that last paragraph for you by stating it in a simple sentence: to obtain the best understanding that he could of any person or thing, Descartes decided to “wash away” all of what was passed down to him and went forth and studied, learned, and gained knowledge from experience.

After said process he had there before him developed theories on the subjects he wished to have answers to. Granted, many people did not agree with him and others did. ; ) That goes along with all philosophies to life. The point is not this, but it is the fact that he expanded himself and paved his own path without being attached to anything. Such an attachment, I believe, deludes.

Like I stated earlier, I hope that this makes sense. ; )

As far as meditation goes… there are many ways to go about it and many of those work depending on the type of person you are. You just have to try a whole varied set of ways and see which works for you. It takes patience which takes time. Just keep going.

Be Well.

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that sounds like a very helpful approach when we need to make a fresh start. Welcome to our group!

Love and light,

Nicole

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Cryptic,

you might consider looking at is as if your search is a mystery that you are uncovering clues for bit by bit. As new evidence is gathered, you change some of your beliefs, some of you old “truths” are discarded as new “truths” are revealed. Life is a participatory sport. The more you participate in it the more you can learn from your parfticipatory experiences.

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indeed, living teaches us so very much and the more deeply engaged we are in Life the more we learn.

love and light,

nicole

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Cryptic,

Thank you very much for your thoughtful response. It makes me wonder whether I am still in exploration phase or in a consolidation phase. And perhaps we swing between the two on our journey.

I have let Jesus have a very small part in my search for awhile, and part of my initial question was whether I need to re-integrate now that my base assumptions have changed so much. I still do not totally know the answer to that question.

But as you say, if I am still on the outward journey, perhaps it is not time for that question yet.

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Dear Cryptic,

Thank you for your clear and thoughtful post which if I read correctly says when pursuing truth is it's best to start from scratch … from zero …. with clean materials.  No preconceived ideas.  To be completely open to any possibility.  I totally agree. 

I would like to elaborate on this but am fighting a flu bug today.  Hold that thought!

Julie

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Can I give you a standing ovation, cryptic?

You honour us all! This is what I wanted to say all along! THANK YOU!

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Cryptic, indeed, it is very well stated.

Julie, hope you are feeling better today!

Mouse, glad you resonate so with that.

N/J, isn't it great how we can elucidate our direction by talking things out like this?

Light, joy and love to all,

Nicole

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“I've realized that I need to do some personal reflection about what role Jesus has to play in my life now that I no longer attend a Christian church, have expanded my study beyond Christian texts, but still feel great kinship to my roots.

I clearly don't have an answer but thought this would be an interesting discussion where others might share their feelings. I realise it may overlap previous discussions, but I think that's ok.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR4o7YzlUxM

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Is there anything significant spiritually outside of Christianity?

Posted: 21 May 2008 08:22 AM CDT

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